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Ryanair Ends Jet Order Talks With Boeing Amid Price Dispute

Published on Sep 8 2021 11:41 AM in General Industry tagged: Trending Posts / Ryanair / Boeing / Airbus / 737 Max / Boeing 737 MAX

Ryanair Ends Jet Order Talks With Boeing Amid Price Dispute

Boeing faces a standoff with one of its biggest customers after Ryanair said that it had ended talks over a purchase of 737 MAX 10 jets worth tens of billions of dollars due to differences over price.

The rare decision to go public over big-ticket airplane negotiations comes after months of wrangling that had already delayed a deal for the largest version of the 737 MAX when Ryanair re-ordered a smaller model in December.

A large new Ryanair order would provide a boost to the US planemaker as it rebuilds confidence in the MAX, grounded for 20 months until November after two fata l crashes. It would also speed a tentative industry recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic.

Europe's largest budget carrier is already the region's largest MAX customer with 210 of the 197-seat MAX 8-200 on order. It has dangled a fresh order potentially worth $33 billion at list prices for up to 250 of the 230-seat MAX 10.

Even after steep industry-wide discounts such a deal would still be worth well over $10 billion, analysts estimate.

But last week, Ryanair Group chief executive Michael O'Leary poured cold water on chances of a quick deal, saying he would be surprised if agreement was reached this year.

On Monday September 6, he said that talks had collapsed.

"We are disappointed we couldn't reach agreement," O'Leary said. "However, Boeing have a more optimistic outlook on aircraft pricing than we do, and we have a disciplined track record of not paying high prices for aircraft."

Boeing also vowed to exercise discipline.

"Ryanair is a long-standing partner. We value their business and are committed to supporting them," a Boeing spokesperson said. "At the same time, we continue to be disciplined and make decisions that make sense for our customers and our company."

Ryanair shares rose 1.8%. US markets, where Boeing is listed, were closed for the Labor Day holiday.

While Ryanair has nominally ended talks, analysts said it is gambling that public pressure will lure Boeing to the table with an improved offer as the planemaker juggles the fallout from the MAX crisis, uncertainty over COVID-19 and industrial woes.

Boeing, however, appears to believe the market is finally moving in its direction after winning a series of orders including 150 MAX 10 from United Airlines.

Industry experts say Ryanair is one of two budget kingpins alongside Southwest that can insist on best prices from Boeing.

The spread of COVID-19 variants and public acceptance of the MAX will help determine whether prices have further room to fall or whether Ryanair, one the industry's toughest negotiators, has missed the bottom of the market for the largest MAX model.

"MAX values have increased very slightly as inventory declines," said Rob Morris, chief consultant at Ascend by Cirium. "We are hearing less about some of the low prices."

The MAX 10 has yet to enter service but estimated values for the slightly smaller MAX 9 have risen 2% recently, though are still 9%-10% below levels before the MAX crisis, he said.

Despite the rift with Boeing, O'Leary has repeatedly played down the prospect of a dramatic defection to rival Airbus due to a long waiting list for its hot-selling A321neo. The two companies have had tense relations in the past.

On Monday, O'Leary did however pointedly refer to the fact that other Boeing customers had done deals with Airbus.

Britain's Jet2 last week closed a deal for 36 A321 neo aircraft worth approximately $4.9 billion. Delta, which buys from both suppliers, in August added 30 A321neo to its order book with Airbus.

Still, industry sources said Airbus may be wary of diluting what it sees as a price advantage for its A321neo by getting dragged into a price war over Ryanair that few expect it to win.

"It is likely Boeing and Ryanair will eventually cut a deal," one industry veteran said.

Airbus declined comment.

Ryanair Ready For Long Wait For Boeing To Cut MAX Price, Says O'Leary

Ryanair is willing to wait years for Boeing to drop its prices before placing a big new plane order with the US company, O'Leary told Reuters, while he also downplayed the chance of a deal with rival Airbus.

"We're not wasting any time on those MAX 10 discussions nor will we for a period of 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 years until we get to the next crisis," O'Leary said in an interview.

"We at Ryanair have always had the discipline to wait out the cycle."

Europe's largest budget carrier is already the region's largest MAX customer with 210 of the 197-seat MAX 8-200 on order. It has dangled a fresh order potentially worth $33 billion at list prices for up to 250 of the 230-seat MAX 10.

But O'Leary said there had been a "fundamental breakdown" in talks due to the fact that Boeing believed the COVID-19 crisis was effectively over while Ryanair believed the U.S. giant still badly needed an order.

"Boeing are looking for a price increase while many of their customers are moving to Airbus," O'Leary said.

"We take the view we are still in a period of great crisis. Boeing take the view that now the world is fine and it's all recovered and its latest pricing offer reflects that," he said.

Boeing on Monday said it valued Ryanair's business, but said it had to exercise discipline and make decisions that made sense.

The U.S. giant appears to believe the market is finally moving in its direction after winning a series of orders, including 150 MAX 10 from United Airlines and outselling Airbus on narrow-body jets this year.

Boeing has sold 524 Boeing 737 MAX this year as of the end of July, compared with Airbus's Jan-August tally of 234 A320-family jets.

The rare decision to go public over big-ticket plane negotiations comes after months of wrangling that had already delayed a deal for the largest version of the 737 MAX.

A large new Ryanair order would have provided a boost to the U.S. planemaker as it rebuilds confidence in the MAX, an aircraft which was grounded for 20 months until November after two fatal crashes.

It would also speed a tentative industry recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic.

"The talks can always be restarted, but only when Boeing realise they need to price competitively," O'Leary said.

Asked if Ryanair might consider Airbus in the medium term, O'Leary said it might, but that Boeing's European rival did not currently have a competitively priced short-haul aircraft either.

"There is always a prospect that Airbus become a significant supplier. But there is a chance that the Chinese - COMAC - could become a significant supplier to Ryanair in the medium term," he said.

Playing Boeing against Airbus to secure lower prices is doomed to failure as a strategy, he said.

"Basically its a duopoly," he said. "You don't get leverage by holding discussions with one or the other."

O'Leary said he was not concerned that the breakdown in talks would leave him with too few planes when his current order is completed in 2025 as Ryanair already had more aircraft on order than any of its competitors.

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